http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tullian/2012/01/27/are-christians-totally-depraved/

This is unbelievably bad. Again, TuT was not chosen for his exegetical skills or his theological maturity, mostly his general appeal to spiritual infants.

TuT tries to “reason” his way through this claim by saying about total depravity that since it does not mean “utter depravity” then, after we get saved ,that “total depravity” must still be there making us sin.

He completely misses the point for why the “total depravity” arises and how it is defined. He demonstrates the skills of a novice, once again, to the injury of the body of Christ.

I have to be honest my friend, I’m having trouble getting my head around all this. As you know I’m totally with you in your stance against dispensationalism, and as for Calvinism, it’s difficult for me because I’ve never really come from a Calvinist background. In truth, I’ve come from a completely unchurched childhood, saved into the charismatic movement (which I know many will call into question anyway), and have spent probably most of the last 3 or 4 years in endless Bible study, trying to get to the truth of things. Especially trying to get beyond the lies I had been taught as the truth.

It would be wrong to say I’m a Calvinist, because apart from reading some of Calvin’s work, and maybe a little of other historic teachers who would be considered Calvinist, that’s about it. What I have found is that my whole view of salvation generally, the way it is worked out, the way we are predestined and regenerated according to the will of God etc., has completely changed for me now. In fact, although I do not label myself a Calvinist, many other people label me that because my views now seem to marry up closely with those recognised as Calvinistic.

My trouble is with this whole thing of new Calvinism. Because I’m not a dyed in the wool Calvinist myself, I cannot compare new with old, but only what those claiming to be Calvinist say, with the what the Word of God itself says. This has caused me to give many people you mentioned recently a wide berth, not because you’ve mentioned them, but because I had already started drawing my own conclusions.

The main point I’m in confusion about though is your mentioning Mike Horton. To be honest, none of the people you list, including Horton, are on my regular reading list or anything, however I do find the conversations I hear on White Horse Inn really helpful. The thing is though, I can’t seem to equate what I’m hearing on those programmes, with the claims you’re making against Horton directly. And considering the strength of those accusations (as with you naming him as one of the most dangerous men in Christendom), I’m trying my hardest to check my own beliefs with that of Scripture.

Forgive me for the length of this comment, but I can’t remember hearing in those WHI programmes, anything more than being exhorted to develop a clear and solid understanding of what the Gospel message is, and the way it bring us complete justification through the blood of Christ. And then to live out our lives in the light of that justification, seeking above all to be obedient to His Word, but in the knowledge that wherever we may stumble in our walk, the Gospel is right at our side to pick us back up again.

Maybe we’re just hearing two different things from the same person, I don’t know, but if you could be specific with regards what is being said by Horton and the others at White Horse Inn, and how it conflicts with Scripture, I would really appreciate it.

One final request is this. Please understand I am not writing this comment in an attempt to attack your from the rear or anything, but out of genuine confusion. You don’t realise how much you and Horton have helped me over the last couple of years, and so to hear one pitched against the other is of genuine concern to me, especially where I cannot see what is being pointed at.

God bless,

John

In all seriousness, there are many things wrong in that video. It’s just hard to believe U.S. taxpayers have helped fund that abominable circus via Bush 43′s Faith-Based and Community Initiative.

Christ obeyed and suffered the wrath of God for our JUSTIFICATION so that, being raised to life in Christ, we would walk in the newness thereof. As children of the light, bringing glory and honor to our Heavenly Father. We do these by the power of His Spirit in us, but we do them. “Let god and let God!” is not biblical!