“The Law as a way of discipleship” – yes and no. The Law does not make disciples, but the Law does reveal God’s moral Law and is summed up in the “Two Great Commandments”. By pursuing Christ – obeying His law (New Covenant guys have a different view of this law) – one is discipled.
The Law points to Christ to be sure, but the Law as THE way of descipleship? Jesus’ sermon on the Mount certainly is a model
of descipleship. Sorry, I am not tracking with the chart.
The so-called higher law of love did not replace the law. And technically, ALL Scripture is law and is not limited to the 10 commandments. The terms “law,” “Scripture,” “law and the prophets,” etc. are used interchangeably throughout Scripture. Jesus said man lives by “every word that comes from the mouth of God.” That certainly includes all of Scripture.
Joel,
I can say amen to it because what in the world would we know about discipleship without the law? And of course, you know I see error in restricting “law” to the ten commandments. I would also say a second amen if the law written on the hearts of all men is included in there as well (Romans 2). A third amen could added for writing “justification” by the Christ arrowhead and “sanctification” by the discipleship arrowhead.
However, thinking more deeply about this, the graphic could also be limiting discipleship to using the law to continually bring us back to Christ and salvation. I guess one should ask what the role of the law is in discipleship according to this chart. To merely drive us back to the cross in despair of self-righteousness? Or for instruction to be applied to our lives?
I think what people generally mean when they say the law is legalism, is outward obedience with impure motives. This seems to be the contrast that Jesus makes with the Pharisees, “Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.” It is possible to deceive others and ones self while keeping the law when truly our heart is wicked.
The law says to love the Lord your God; remember the sabbath day to keep it holy; do not take God’s name in vane; do not dishonor your parents; do not lie; do not steal; do not commit adultery; do not kill; do not bear falso witness; do not covet and these all fall under the two great commandments. If we leave these all off then we “become lawless people” and satan would love nothing more to see us “lawless” and commit all these sins against our fellow man and God. For if you sin against your neighbor you sin against God and His law for righteusness in our lives. The 10 commandments is the law how to achieve righteousness by way of telling us what not to do. Lidna
The law is also called Torah. Torah means teaching. It teaches us the way we should live life God wants us to. Is Jesus (His Hebrew name is Yeshua; which means salvation) not called the living Word/Torah? I say AMEN to that.
Amen if by the Law you mean the 2 commandments love your god with all your heart mind strength and soul and love your neighbor as you love yourself
“The Law as a way of discipleship” – yes and no. The Law does not make disciples, but the Law does reveal God’s moral Law and is summed up in the “Two Great Commandments”. By pursuing Christ – obeying His law (New Covenant guys have a different view of this law) – one is discipled.
The Law points to Christ to be sure, but the Law as THE way of descipleship? Jesus’ sermon on the Mount certainly is a model
of descipleship. Sorry, I am not tracking with the chart.
live and LWJ,
The so-called higher law of love did not replace the law. And technically, ALL Scripture is law and is not limited to the 10 commandments. The terms “law,” “Scripture,” “law and the prophets,” etc. are used interchangeably throughout Scripture. Jesus said man lives by “every word that comes from the mouth of God.” That certainly includes all of Scripture.
Joel,
I can say amen to it because what in the world would we know about discipleship without the law? And of course, you know I see error in restricting “law” to the ten commandments. I would also say a second amen if the law written on the hearts of all men is included in there as well (Romans 2). A third amen could added for writing “justification” by the Christ arrowhead and “sanctification” by the discipleship arrowhead.
However, thinking more deeply about this, the graphic could also be limiting discipleship to using the law to continually bring us back to Christ and salvation. I guess one should ask what the role of the law is in discipleship according to this chart. To merely drive us back to the cross in despair of self-righteousness? Or for instruction to be applied to our lives?
“Oh how love I thy law, it is my meditation all the day.” Ooops. Sorry. I got all legalistic!
Without the law , what is there ? . Our conscience? . I say amen . This reminds me of Matthew 7:21.
Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven , but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
“Whoever hears these words of mine and puts them into practice will be like the man who built his house on a rock.”
It isn’t rocket science.
I think what people generally mean when they say the law is legalism, is outward obedience with impure motives. This seems to be the contrast that Jesus makes with the Pharisees, “Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.” It is possible to deceive others and ones self while keeping the law when truly our heart is wicked.
The law says to love the Lord your God; remember the sabbath day to keep it holy; do not take God’s name in vane; do not dishonor your parents; do not lie; do not steal; do not commit adultery; do not kill; do not bear falso witness; do not covet and these all fall under the two great commandments. If we leave these all off then we “become lawless people” and satan would love nothing more to see us “lawless” and commit all these sins against our fellow man and God. For if you sin against your neighbor you sin against God and His law for righteusness in our lives. The 10 commandments is the law how to achieve righteousness by way of telling us what not to do. Lidna
The law is also called Torah. Torah means teaching. It teaches us the way we should live life God wants us to. Is Jesus (His Hebrew name is Yeshua; which means salvation) not called the living Word/Torah? I say AMEN to that.