Wow, what a sermon! I can remember a time when I could hear something similar to the theological depth and perspicuity of this message weekly. Boy, those were the days. Now most of what I hear each week at church is tempered with ‘ don’t worry be happy’, and ‘all we need is love, everybody now’ and other such weakening of what scripture contextually teaches. I pray God will give us more clear and precise teachers as this throughout the world. Thanks for posting this great sermon.
Moses was a prophet. Abraham too. There was Nathan. We don’t know about Ezekial. Elijah was translated. In all there were only a few whose persecutorial death are recorded. But not Noah, Isaiah, Daniel, Joseph, David, Samuel or Solomon.
Job wasn’t a believer during his suffering. All during his life he is a religious man, that’s true, but the point of Job is brought out at the end. He doesn’t know God until God reveals himself to him. It is not that God deemed him worthy to suffer for his name’s sake, it is that God, as Elihu said, did this to keep Job’s soul from being condemned. During his suffering he doesn’t stand tall, he ends up condemning God as being unjust.
I like R.C., and I am sur Lawson is a powerful speaker. What I don’t like are traditionalists, be it Sproul or anyone else who for the sake of emotional impact don’t tell it like it was.
You said “Job wasn’t a believer during his suffering. All during his life he is a religious man, that’s true, but the point of Job is brought out at the end. He doesn’t know God until God reveals himself to him.”
Now Thomas, seems there’s a contradiction between what you claim and what the Word of God declares to be true from the very first verse of the book. Unbelievers do not fear God.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil.
Do you believe the Word of God as the final authority in all things? If so, you must surely see that Job was a believer from the chapter 1, verse 1 of the book of Job.
Yet again, in verse 8 of chapter 1, God Himself says to Satan: “And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”
How can God declare Job His servant if, as you say, God revealed Himself at the end of the book? Think about it.
Thanks, JT. No offense meant toward thomastwitchell but how do folks come up with opinions like his? Scripture is clear. Again, no offense toward thomastwitchell, I think people today have a filter that everything must pass through. Every idea that is not PC or EC or seeker affirming gets thrown out. The only thing that remains is the concept that God cannot be God without our approval. The Bible cannot be true unless Mclaren spins out a web of lies for them to injest in place of what scripture says plainly. How can someone read Job and say that Job was an unbeliever in the beginning of the book? I do not get it? Does Rob Bell teach this in his Hooma Nooma series? Again, I mean no offense but geese Louise! The Bible means what it says and it can be taken seriously because God wrote it!
Job 13:15 Though he slay me, I will hope in him; yet I will argue my ways to his face.
Job 13:16 This will be my salvation, that the godless shall not come before him.
Wow, what a sermon! I can remember a time when I could hear something similar to the theological depth and perspicuity of this message weekly. Boy, those were the days. Now most of what I hear each week at church is tempered with ‘ don’t worry be happy’, and ‘all we need is love, everybody now’ and other such weakening of what scripture contextually teaches. I pray God will give us more clear and precise teachers as this throughout the world. Thanks for posting this great sermon.
Moses was a prophet. Abraham too. There was Nathan. We don’t know about Ezekial. Elijah was translated. In all there were only a few whose persecutorial death are recorded. But not Noah, Isaiah, Daniel, Joseph, David, Samuel or Solomon.
Job wasn’t a believer during his suffering. All during his life he is a religious man, that’s true, but the point of Job is brought out at the end. He doesn’t know God until God reveals himself to him. It is not that God deemed him worthy to suffer for his name’s sake, it is that God, as Elihu said, did this to keep Job’s soul from being condemned. During his suffering he doesn’t stand tall, he ends up condemning God as being unjust.
I like R.C., and I am sur Lawson is a powerful speaker. What I don’t like are traditionalists, be it Sproul or anyone else who for the sake of emotional impact don’t tell it like it was.
You said “Job wasn’t a believer during his suffering. All during his life he is a religious man, that’s true, but the point of Job is brought out at the end. He doesn’t know God until God reveals himself to him.”
Now Thomas, seems there’s a contradiction between what you claim and what the Word of God declares to be true from the very first verse of the book. Unbelievers do not fear God.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil.
Do you believe the Word of God as the final authority in all things? If so, you must surely see that Job was a believer from the chapter 1, verse 1 of the book of Job.
Yet again, in verse 8 of chapter 1, God Himself says to Satan: “And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”
How can God declare Job His servant if, as you say, God revealed Himself at the end of the book? Think about it.
Thanks, JT. No offense meant toward thomastwitchell but how do folks come up with opinions like his? Scripture is clear. Again, no offense toward thomastwitchell, I think people today have a filter that everything must pass through. Every idea that is not PC or EC or seeker affirming gets thrown out. The only thing that remains is the concept that God cannot be God without our approval. The Bible cannot be true unless Mclaren spins out a web of lies for them to injest in place of what scripture says plainly. How can someone read Job and say that Job was an unbeliever in the beginning of the book? I do not get it? Does Rob Bell teach this in his Hooma Nooma series? Again, I mean no offense but geese Louise! The Bible means what it says and it can be taken seriously because God wrote it!
Here’s the real kicker:
Job 13:15 Though he slay me, I will hope in him; yet I will argue my ways to his face.
Job 13:16 This will be my salvation, that the godless shall not come before him.
- JT
It’s easy, truth, you don’t know what you’re talking about.