Comments on: John MacArthur: Ask Piper and Mahaney Why They Haven’t Addressed Mark Driscoll

By: Thanks!

Thanks! — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:39:20 +0000

Mark Driscoll is an awesome man of God and so is John MacArthur. I thank God for both of these men. By the way, we are only men and so are they. Both men are sinners-and both men speak scripture. All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up, according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Ephesians 4:29

Thanks for praying with me for both of them and thanking God for them!

By: Truthinator

Truthinator — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 16:05:32 +0000

Yes, Mark…it is better for a preacher to sound like a worldling than a stuffed shirt. After all, we wouldn’t want a pastor who actually works to rise above sin and worldliness, now would we? It’s better for preachers to be just like everybody else so the world can be comfortable in their presence. That is what it is all about … Who needs a preacher who actually tells us about the expectations placed upon the Christian life? You catch more flies with honey than with doctrine and application anyhoo…(sarcasm intended)

By: mark ellis

mark ellis — Sat, 04 Dec 2010 07:27:12 +0000

MacArthur sounds “religious” Mark is being allowed to reach the masses via careful preaching of God”s Word.. Thank you that the Lord has provided Seattle with an expositor who dearly loves The Christ and His Word. Ministers have got to be real. There are sufficient I am above sin stuffed shirts occupying our pulpits. I kind of see Mark as a John the Baptist, one difference being that Mark lives in a better section of town..

MacArthur: Get real. You probably check out chicks with tight skirts like most guys. Tell your congregation you sometimes get p***ed off. Tell your congregation that perhaps you have sinned that week. As Swindoll once said. The church is a bunch of sinners led by another sinner with the title pastor.

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By: Alex

Alex — Thu, 27 May 2010 05:24:02 +0000

I really don’t think this is John MacArthur, because first, the style is pushy, John isn’t like that. Second it has a view that isn’t very well based. Also MacArthur wouldn’t say anything if he didn’t know Mark.

By: Joe Long

Joe Long — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:05:06 +0000

Pastor Driscoll is “potty-mouthed”. Because he is a calvinist and can communicate well people put up with his behaviour. The one does not make up for the other!! To see his links with Robert Schuller really worries me. I fear that, like John Piper – linked now with Rick Warren – he is heading for a fall.

By: Beverley

Beverley — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:45:25 +0000

There seems to be a problem and from what I can see … he is into “How to Practice Meditative Prayer’ and he is a ‘Contemplative Proponent’. Looks like a whole new spirit is taking over his language.

In His Grip
Beverley

By: Joel

Joel — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:21:28 +0000

I listened to the sermon by Mark Driscoll and I personally think he was p***ed (is that a bad word?) at the immaturity he was seeing in some of the men of his church. I think his passion to lead his men is honorable. I know that many of the people who attend Mars Hill aren’t Christians at all. It feels like we are wanting to remove an entire ministry that affects thousands of people over a word that he used in a passionate sermon pleading with the men of his church to step up and be men. To not find out why he was so passionate about this and so broadly disregard what he and his church are doing over a word that many in his congregation wouldn’t even consider to be vulgar seems disappointedly Pharisaical. Should his motives be questioned by those around him and those in his accountability circle? The answer is yes, but do we simply dismiss all that he has done to further the gospel because of one word? To be honest, I love my wife and kids, but there are times that I need to be reminded to wake the H… up and be a better father and husband. I don’t see a pastor who is poo poo-ing the scripture and swearing all the time. I see a pastor was furious against sin that was being committed and wanted the men in the church to know that it would not be tolerated. The take away from watching this sermon was not, “oh my gosh … he just used a curse word.” Rather, the message from the sermon was Men/fathers step up into the role that God has placed you in and stop being little boys.

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By: crucified619

crucified619 — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:06:21 +0000

I believe the word that MacArthur was speaking of was the use of “hell” near the end of his sermon. “Who the HELL do you think you are? You’re not God. You’re just a man–and you’re not an impressive man.” Some of you might not think it’s too big of a deal, and I’m kind of hedged on this issue.

However, in response to Steve’s comment, the character of the shepherd matters a lot because his personal character will direct his ministry. The “general trajectory of ministry” is pretty solid so far, but the issue is the legacy of his ministry. By that I want to use an illustration from John Piper. Driscoll, if he is off, is only slightly off. However, that slight misdirection, taken 100 years from now, can lead someone horribly off course. It’s like drawing two lines that start at the same point and only diverge about a millimeter. However, if you take that line and continue to draw it out, the divergence will increase until they are far apart from one another. Leaders, elders, pastors–they are all held to a higher standard because of the influence they will have on others. If you open the door to sin just a crack, it can cause immeasurable sin to run rampant and unchecked in the body. Driscoll might not be doing anything horribly wrong by using words such as “hell” (as a curse-word, not as a destination for unregenerate sinners) or by speaking of sexual intercourse so descriptively, but it opens up a door for pastors five generations down the line who could potentially have no control of their speech or their lustful desires. Pastors, especially, should take the utmost effort to deny themselves of things that might not necessarily be sinful in order to remain “above reproach” (1 Timothy 3) and set a standard of purity and holiness for their church congregation and for future generations of church leaders.

By: steve

steve — Thu, 14 May 2009 22:57:53 +0000

you guys take yourselves way too seriously. You spend too much time worrying about a guy who is not your pastor. Don’t you think there are things which your energy would be better spent writing about?
You need context to be able to critique this way, and it appears to me that you do not understand this context.
Sorry to be short but i find it comical that you are so worried about an expletive more than the general trajectory of ministry… wouldn’t a discussion of MH’s methodology be more helpful?

By: Mathew

Mathew — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:33:38 +0000

I am not sure that I can agree with the comment about Mac being off… He has been in ministry for a long time and time has proved him to be above reproach. Mark D on the other hand, in a short space of time, has gained a bad rep for his mouth; soundness of speech is required for a Preacher of the Holy Gospel. He should repent and quit the trash. Then get on with the job of preaching the Gospel. It is a sign of immaturity to continue to speak in such a way. I believe that he is a man who loves God and wants people to hear the truth and live transformed lives but… but because of his slippery mouth it brings the gospel down… I like, for the most part, listening to his sermons and am challenged by them, greatly so, but I agree with others that most of the things that accompany the soundness need to be cut out. Imagine the impact and the joy of God the Father that Mark D decided to be pure in speech; avoiding all forms of evil… he’d be behaving like the Father, holy!

By: Tertius

Tertius — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:56:07 +0000

I haven’t heard the Scotland sermon. I’ve heard some of the Peasant Princess sermons and from what I’ve heard, they glorify Christ, honor sex in its proper place (marriage bed) and challenge men particularly to sexual purity and leading their courtships in sexual purity, waiting ’til marriage.

I also think Mac is a little off here:

Just a few weeks ago, in an angry diatribe leveled at men in his congregation, Driscoll once again threw in a totally unnecessary expletive. A few weeks before that, he made a public mockery of Ecclesiastes 9:10 (something he has done repeatedly), by making a joke of it on national television.

First, the joke is goofing on this guy ripping Scripture out of context to justify sinful behavior. He isn’t mocking Scripture per se.

Secondly, I’m not sure what the expletive is he’s talking about. I didn’t hear anything that stuck out at me as out of place. Additionally, his sermon was a sharp challenge at men to be men of God and repent of sins of omission and commission connected to abusing the office of husband.

I don’t know the men in Driscoll’s church. He does. Maybe there are very many young men who needed that sharp rebuke. He rightly called a “joke” men whose childish behavior is a joke, and nearly everyone I know who’s a man and has heard that sermon has said it was a sharp rebuke and welcome refreshing challenge to them.

Secondly,